A recent conversation with one MattF in the comments made me want to show the effect that thinner layers have and show off how thin I've been able to get my prints. It's not earth shattering by any means, there are people doing much more impressive feats, but I think this will be educational.
To insure all things stay equal I printed the same piece, the knight from SteedMake'rs Classic Chess set scaled down 50%, with the following settings: 10% infill, 3 extra shells, 100mm/s feedrate. The only thing I changed between them was the layer height. I chose this piece because it had a lot of nice surfaces for showing off the layers and I printed it small so the layer heights difference would be even more apparent. The times shown are from the skenforge estimate tool since I was not about to sit over every print with a stopwatch, but generally that estimate tends to be an accurate representation.
Finally before the analysis, remember to click on the pictures to get a good look at the details close up. here we go.
Layer height: 0.40mm. Print time: 9 minutes. AKA: Never Again.
This ugly little thing was done at a thicker layer height than I've ever tried. Makerbots have a 0.4mm nozzle so I was printing out layers as thick as the noodle was round. This shouldn't have worked and it shows. It's saggy, the layers don't look like they quite stuck to each other and it's clear that at nearly half a millimeter the layers are pretty apparent.
This is also thicker than I've ever tried but the results are pretty good. Nice layer adhesion, a good looking print from a technical perspective and much better than 0.40mm. It's amazing the difference 5/100th of a mm make. But it's still very evident that this is a 3D print. The layers are course and you can feel them with your fingernail making a sound like one of those wood frog instruments.
Layer height 0.27mm. Print time: 14 minutes. AKA: Makerbot default.
Someone did some math and showed that 0.27mm was the perfect layer height for adhesion with a 0.4mm nozzle, so every new install of ReplicatorG or Makerware defaults to 0.27mm. Before this exercise I considered this my "Coarse" setting. It looks much better than 0.35mm. If you see something printed by Makerbot chances are this is the resolution they printed at. But without too much difficulty it's easy to push a Makerbot a little further.
Layer height 0.20mm. Print time 19 minutes. AKA: My old default.
I don't know why but 0.27mm just seemed silly to me, so when I started printing I almost immediately dropped my layer height to 0.20mm, a nice round number. I knew it would look better, but before this I never really looked that closely at how much better. At this layer height the layers are about the distance of the ridges in your fingerprints.
Layer Height: 0.15mm. Print time 26 minutes. AKA: Production quality.
If you buy anything in my store this is the layer height it will be printed at, and it's easy to see why. At this point the layers become difficult to discern on flat sides and barely noticeable as "character" on steep inclines. This is really quality.
I've tried going as low as 0.10mm, but for some reason I can't get the first layer to work, and if I can muscle past it the perimeters look really good, but fill layers tend to mess up at accelerated speeds. I could fiddle and see where exactly between 0.15 and 0.10 the breakdown occurs, but for now I'm pretty happy with 0.15 as a balance between speed and resolution. Now that I'm looking at the numbers I notice that time is increasing by more than a linear change as layer height decreases, which makes sense since the lower the layer height the more layers you have to to make up the difference for. So maybe 0.15 sits on the cusp of print times going out-of-control long.
Yup, it's curving |
I have done the same playing around in the past,see picture here: http://www.thingiverse.com/derivative:42096
ReplyDeleteIf I remember well the layer thickness were from left to right: 0.27mm, 0.1mm,0.070mm, and 0.035mm
I have to say that the 35 microns looks really good but the few first layer are not good.
I have done few other prints for little things at 70 microns and it worked superb. I would recommend it only for things with small volume though.
Excellent post Joe, very informative and definitely food for thought.
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Hi Jospeh,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the awesome and informative experiments on Print Resolution vs Print Time!
Out of curiousity which machine were you using for this? Is it an ABS machine?
We work off a Replicator 2 over at www.funbiestudios.com and would probaby like to help answer the last question on how long a 0.10 mm print time for this piece will be. From experience, it'll probably be around 40 minutes but we'll still give it a whirl to add one more datapoint for you.
Great stuff! ;)
I'm using a Makerbot Replicator (dual heads) with Sailfish accelerated firmware and, yes, ABS. Because of the Sailfish firmware it might be impossible to use your datapoint since it would not match past information. Plus you'd have to use the scaled down version of the same piece with the same infill and same shells, just a lot of variables. However, if you wanted to run your own experiment I'd be interested to see the results.
DeleteAh, I see. Much like you mention, it does sound pretty different, given that we're also printing in a different material - PLA.
DeleteGonna have a shot at this at all the ranges and see how it pans out for us =)
Just wrapped up our quick tests with PLA on this one (http://funbiestudios.com/2013/04/3d-printing-resolution-tests-with-replicator-2/) but maybe not a good one-for-one comparison as we did it with raft and supports by mistake. Doh
DeleteThanks for the help! This is really great guidance for those of us new to Makerbot!
ReplyDeleteHow about using Slic3r and making the first few layers 0.2 or 0.3 the going thin after that?
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